Todays update: They managed to screw us again!

[KillBilly]

(15-05-2012 08:40 PM) '3Stan2112 Wrote:  Default LMG ADS time is 0.4 seconds. You should be lucky it's 0.36 with Rapid-Aim. They fixed a bug. Get on with your lives.

There is NO default ads time for lmg's!

Y U no understand?

There's 9 lmg's, 4 have 0.2 seconds and 5 have 0.4

And Chang, I knew they were going to 'fix' the ads time (after I bought it), but knowing that doesn't mean this a good fix. Not at all. It should be fast (sorry, rapid), but it isn't, not on about half the lmg's out there. And your answer is 'so don't use it'? That's not why I bought it ^^

[kayack1]

"Todays update: They managed to screw us again! "

screw what/who ?

just fix a bug ...

[3Stan2112]

(15-05-2012 08:43 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 08:40 PM)3Stan2112 Wrote:  Default LMG ADS time is 0.4 seconds. You should be lucky it's 0.36 with Rapid-Aim. They fixed a bug. Get on with your lives.

There is NO default ads time for lmg's!

Y U no understand?

My bad, I was mistaken. All the comparisons I have done recently happened to be with 0.4 ADS LMGs.

[JonSwift]

From my personal experience....

light/medium machine guns typically take a hell of a lot longer to sight in while standing or kneeling over something like an SMG, or AR, shot guns even.

So I think the differences in the time delay is quite fair concerning what kind of weapon you're handling.

**I know this game is not realistic.** Tracking RPG's, 1000lb bombs that do less damage than a hellfire, etc etc etc... but, they do try and generalize weaknesses and strengths with your class and weapon. SMG's are great for close to medium range and are fast to use, while its extremely hard to out shoot most lmg's at medium to long range if its one on one.

[KillBilly]

(15-05-2012 08:52 PM)JonSwift Wrote:  From my personal experience....

light/medium machine guns typically take a hell of a lot longer to sight in while standing or kneeling over something like an SMG, or AR, shot guns even.

I know, but how much sense does it make that you put a rapid-aim rds on your lmg and the ads time increases by 90 percent? That's the case now. wtf?

[Akantokiller]

(15-05-2012 07:31 PM)Stufa Wrote:  It wasn't meant to give a fast ADS to begin with.

[Diwan]

(15-05-2012 08:43 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  Y U no understand?

There's 9 lmg's, 4 have 0.2 seconds and 5 have 0.4

Hmm...wonder if that is a bug as well. I have to talk to the designer first thing tomorrow to make sure. In reality they all should be the same at 0.4 ADS for Ironsight. Not sure if there was any specific design call on those 4 weapons. But I will let you know as soon as I get the info. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Cheers!

[KillBilly]

Wow thank you for replying Diwan, that's pretty cool.

Enjoy your vacation!

[shotblasted]

(15-05-2012 08:40 PM)3Stan2112 Wrote:  Default LMG ADS time is 0.4 seconds. You should be lucky it's 0.36 with Rapid-Aim. They fixed a bug. Get on with your lives.

no its not, not for all LMG

[3Stan2112]

(15-05-2012 09:13 PM)shotblasted Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 08:40 PM)3Stan2112 Wrote:  Default LMG ADS time is 0.4 seconds. You should be lucky it's 0.36 with Rapid-Aim. They fixed a bug. Get on with your lives.

no its not, not for all LMG

Thanks for showing up late to the party. Enjoy your stay anyway!

[strangers123]

(15-05-2012 09:03 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 08:52 PM)JonSwift Wrote:  From my personal experience....

light/medium machine guns typically take a hell of a lot longer to sight in while standing or kneeling over something like an SMG, or AR, shot guns even.

I know, but how much sense does it make that you put a rapid-aim rds on your and the ads time increases by 90 percent? That's the case now. wtf?

Its not an increase of 90% over what its intended or a sight of similar intentions, it on the other hand has 90% of the time for a holosight to aim down sight although...

Sights should be, like attachments, modifiers to the weapon (LMGs minus, say 0.004 ADS time) and not what they are, replacement numbers.

[solid5nake]

(15-05-2012 09:10 PM)Diwan Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 08:43 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  Y U no understand?

There's 9 lmg's, 4 have 0.2 seconds and 5 have 0.4

Hmm...wonder if that is a bug as well. I have to talk to the designer first thing tomorrow to make sure. In reality they all should be the same at 0.4 ADS for Ironsight. Not sure if there was any specific design call on those 4 weapons. But I will let you know as soon as I get the info. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Cheers!

Now they are going to nerf my M60's ADS...

[Seljacina]

(15-05-2012 07:27 PM)[BFT]TriviumF22 Wrote:  They screwed us AGAIN!

Why the hell would anyone buy the RDS if it was the same as the Holo for the medic?! They screwed us over! They actually gave the medic a decent setup when it had the .2 delay to ADS. FIX IT BACK! The .36 is atrocious, and makes the Medic the only class whose time was added to.

MG: 0.2 -> 0.36
AR : 0.2 -> 0.18
SMG: 0.2 -> 0.045
SR : 0.2 -> 0.225

If you think that LMG's like MG36 or SAW are not OP with 0.2 ADS that's your problem. With 60-80 bullets mag (or even more with Casket mags) and fast ADS any decent player can go on a total rampage, AND THEY DID, I saw it, I saw Medics on Sharqi servers run&gun with LMG's. Give me AEK with 80 bullets and you'll see what true Rambo weapon is. Oh, wait, you don't want to see AEK with 80 bullets, don't you? Or you'll be the first in line to have it?
You want to see what MP5 with 80 bullets is capable of?

Be happy that Medics can run as fast as other classes IN THE FIRST PLACE, because in a lot of other FPS games any "heavy" class moves slower because of the balance. So, you want to move as fast as the class that carries 5 times lighter weapon and to have ADS same as the light weapon? Where is the balance in that?!

I play as Medic too and you people should be slapped in the face to come into reality and look things more objectively.

[Abstergo.]

Quit your bitching, that's how it was supposed to be when it came out.

[St0mpy]

(15-05-2012 09:10 PM)Diwan Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 08:43 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  Y U no understand?

There's 9 lmg's, 4 have 0.2 seconds and 5 have 0.4

Hmm...wonder if that is a bug as well. I have to talk to the designer first thing tomorrow to make sure. In reality they all should be the same at 0.4 ADS for Ironsight. Not sure if there was any specific design call on those 4 weapons. But I will let you know as soon as I get the info. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Cheers!

YU no listen to me? I IMed you and posted in thread about exactly this the first time your joined the original discussion when the scope was released.

Its been this way since pre-dec20th, it was part of the original character of the weapon. The faster LMGs have always had the lower ADS time. They all have bad stats in most other areas so one could assume the 0.2 ADS was the one thing to 'sell' the weapon, otherwise who would bother buying them if every stat was worse.

[Solid]

(15-05-2012 09:38 PM)St0mpy Wrote:  The older LMGs have always had the lower ADS time.

fix´d, all 0.2 ADS Time LMGs are those which got released in CB and a bit after then (QJY88) if i recall it right. I´m not a Gun Nut but i believe that the XM8AR and MG36 might be lighter=>faster than the other LMGs for their more Assault-like built with a smaller mag and faster reload, so they should ADS faster than a MG3, QJY88, M60 or PKM

[JonSwift]

(15-05-2012 09:25 PM)Seljacina Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 07:27 PM)[BFT]TriviumF22 Wrote:  They screwed us AGAIN!

Why the hell would anyone buy the RDS if it was the same as the Holo for the medic?! They screwed us over! They actually gave the medic a decent setup when it had the .2 delay to ADS. FIX IT BACK! The .36 is atrocious, and makes the Medic the only class whose time was added to.

MG: 0.2 -> 0.36
AR : 0.2 -> 0.18
SMG: 0.2 -> 0.045
SR : 0.2 -> 0.225

If you think that LMG's like MG36 or SAW are not OP with 0.2 ADS that's your problem. With 60-80 bullets mag (or even more with Casket mags) and fast ADS any decent player can go on a total rampage, AND THEY DID, I saw it, I saw Medics on Sharqi servers run&gun with LMG's. Give me AEK with 80 bullets and you'll see what true Rambo weapon is. Oh, wait, you don't want to see AEK with 80 bullets, don't you? Or you'll be the first in line to have it?
You want to see what MP5 with 80 bullets is capable of?

Be happy that Medics can run as fast as other classes IN THE FIRST PLACE, because in a lot of other FPS games any "heavy" class moves slower because of the balance. So, you want to move as fast as the class that carries 5 times lighter weapon and to have ADS same as the light weapon? Where is the balance in that?!

I play as Medic too and you people should be slapped in the face to come into reality and look things more objectively.

QFT

[sp3lk]

(15-05-2012 09:12 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  Wow thank you for replying Diwan, that's pretty cool.

Enjoy your vacation!

he has to be the most popular blue around here. he often replyies and even ask's our thoughts on various things.

[3Stan2112]

(15-05-2012 09:46 PM)Solid Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 09:38 PM)St0mpy Wrote:  The older LMGs have always had the lower ADS time.

fix´d, all 0.2 ADS Time LMGs are those which got released in CB and a bit after then (QJY88) if i recall it right. I´m not a Gun Nut but i believe that the XM8AR and MG36 might be lighter=>faster than the other LMGs for their more Assault-like built with a smaller mag and faster reload, so they should ADS faster than a MG3, QJY88, M60 or PKM

As an example, the SAW, M240, and XM8AR have ADS of 0.4. M60 and PKM are 0.2. Your logic makes sense (lighter = faster), but EAsy appears to have used the opposite as "balance", except for the M240 which is a beast and still has a slow ADS. So who knows what the logic is...

[Mr.Profesional]

(15-05-2012 09:24 PM)solid5nake Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 09:10 PM)Diwan Wrote:  

(15-05-2012 08:43 PM)KillBilly Wrote:  Y U no understand?

There's 9 lmg's, 4 have 0.2 seconds and 5 have 0.4

Hmm...wonder if that is a bug as well. I have to talk to the designer first thing tomorrow to make sure. In reality they all should be the same at 0.4 ADS for Ironsight. Not sure if there was any specific design call on those 4 weapons. But I will let you know as soon as I get the info. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Cheers!

Now they are going to nerf my M60's ADS...

^^This^^