Damage, range of weapons in BFP4F and their mechanic

[Healin4ev3r]

^ yea that's why I like to call MG36 a "homo" gun.

[Merlini]

(03-05-2012 02:35 PM)ay.j.eng Wrote:  

(25-03-2012 10:27 PM)wtfwtf Wrote:  And i also kinda think that the Hellfire/Jeep bug is somewhere in there

Your post here made me check the files again and I think the reason havoc's hellfires don't work correctly might be because they have the wrong "explosionMaterial" value. The Apache uses "33" which is Missile_Hellfire while Havoc uses "7005" which is Glass_AttackHeli (?!).

Here are some relevant lines from material file regarding damage done by "Glass_AttackHeli" against other materials:

PHP Code:

// soldier body: x1 = full damage (400)
MaterialManager.createCell 7005 24
MaterialManager.damageMod 1


// 1014 = attack_heli_armor: x0.1 = 40 damage (400 x 0.1)
MaterialManager.createCell 7005 1014
MaterialManager.damageMod 0.1

// 1019 = transport_heli_armor: x0.1 = 40 damage
MaterialManager.createCell 7005 1019
MaterialManager.damageMod 0.1

// 4300 = tank_armor: x0.1 = 40 damage
MaterialManager.createCell 7005 4300
MaterialManager.damageMod 0.1

// 4350 = tank_tracks: x0 = no damage on wheels
MaterialManager.createCell 7005 4350
MaterialManager.damageMod 0

// 4500 = jeep_body: x0.1 = 40 damage
MaterialManager.createCell 7005 4500
MaterialManager.damageMod 0.1 


Nothing i didn't knew

(22-03-2012 07:07 AM)Merlini Wrote:  

(17-03-2012 08:50 AM)Str1000ac Wrote:  maybe it's + spash damage?

Nope, change damage type/material.

Current material is not the same as Apache's Hellfire.

It's not the vehicles(now), its the Hellfire material. It used to be the US APC armor material's fault.

[ay.j.eng]

Ah. Well, I missed it >_>

[Mr.Profesional]

Great news!

[TacticalS]

(22-04-2012 10:59 AM)Healin4ev3r Wrote:  This comfirmed that effect of stand-off barrel is much less than expected. I regret buying that

Yeah, I regret buying it too.

Stand-off barrel could use a buff in my opinion. It`s advertised as doing +4 to range so you`ll expect more from it...

On some guns it`s totally useless; e.g a MG36 with vipermags.

And i found out that it will make my VSS with vipermags actually doing worse damage with the standoff than without it.

[Merlini]

Close-In > Stand-Off

If its pre-dec, it might be usefull but now days, its rare to see kills beyond 60m(non SR)

[SpEnSAH]

Well i found something interesting while I was playing with my shiny new ballistic scope:





This is L96, precision barrel, extra mags. Range was 312m.

[ay.j.eng]

(09-06-2012 08:05 AM)SpEnSAH Wrote:  Well i found something interesting while I was playing with my shiny new ballistic scope:

http://cdn.battlefield.play4free.com/en/...3992d4&c=1



This is L96, precision barrel, extra mags. Range was 312m.

Body armor. 48 * 0.9 = 43.xx

[Healin4ev3r]

(09-06-2012 08:08 AM)ay.j.eng Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 08:05 AM)SpEnSAH Wrote:  Well i found something interesting while I was playing with my shiny new ballistic scope:

http://cdn.battlefield.play4free.com/en/...3992d4&c=1



This is L96, precision barrel, extra mags. Range was 312m.

Body armor. 48 * 0.9 = 43.xx

Yep, must be body armor.

@SpEnSAH you need viper mags for 100& chance to get 2 BS kill

[SpEnSAH]

That's what i thought. I saw a 44 too, but the guy said he didn't have kevlar :facepalm:

[SpEnSAH]

Well i feel stupid...My memory fails today. I was getting those hits in between the regular +48.

usually looked like:
+49
+48
+48
+43
+49
+43
+48
+48
+49 etc.

[Healin4ev3r]

giving this thread a /bump, since some people are still calculating damage in the wrong way.

[Mynameishidden1]

/lol

[Healin4ev3r]

^what?

[Skithawk]

Bump, I wish I had found this before

http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/ebb9ca75...ef784586af

http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/75d25607...a8b3f856c0

Basically all I thought the barrels were doing was wrong. Stand-off barrel especially. Isn't in this example supposed to extend the medium range up to 50m and carry along the damage range that far ? But according to the charts, the 22-26 medium range damage of mp7 not only doesn't go up to 50m with this barrel, but it actually ends around the 20m mark. This is loco.

[Healin4ev3r]

(20-07-2012 05:58 PM)Skithawk Wrote:  Bump, I wish I had found this before

http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/ebb9ca75...ef784586af

http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/75d25607...a8b3f856c0

Basically all I thought the barrels were doing was wrong. Stand-off barrel especially. Isn't in this example supposed to extend the medium range up to 50m and carry along the damage range that far ? But according to the charts, the 22-26 medium range damage of mp7 not only doesn't go up to 50m with this barrel, but it actually ends around the 20m mark. This is loco.

Well, stand-off barrel is still good for SMGs in mid-range combat, since it makes the damage drop smoother. For other classes, it just doesn't worth it. Cheap close-in barrel is better for extending range.

[Skithawk]

I expected stand off barrel to retain mid range values damage up to the 50m mark, but in reality after 30m I am hitting long range damage regardless of barrel.

Only at seeing the charts I grasp that barrels only affects DISTRIBUTION of damage within their scope range, but that they do not CARRY damage along.

So for mp7 18-22dmg mid range damage will end around 20-25m regardless of barrel, but the description in the shop reads : STAND-OFF BARREL : "Extends the medium combat distance of the gun"

According to PfTools :

Initial range 26-24
Mid range 22-18
Long range 12-8

But instead if it was

Initial range 26-18
Mid range 20-12
Long range 12-8

Then one would promptly see that the middle range won't end at 18 but at 12. The description in the shop paired with PFTools numbers creates confusion. I should had looked more attentively to the charts instead.

[shotblasted]

i think its just making a mess of the distance calculations - the stand off barrel is still good in some areas imo even if its coming up a little short as the calculations show, id rather have it than nothing

[Skithawk]

It sure is better than nothing, but the point is that it doesn't do what it says it should because you get long range damages in the stand-off barrel area of effect, thus not creating a longer mid range area as the numbers portray.

[Stelle]

wow very nice info