[Discuss] The removal of "Legacy" attachments, the introduction of fairer play!

[Akantokiller]

(04-01-2012 05:19 PM)Ainudil Wrote:  It isn't about -ignoring- legacy players. Simple fact is that this is our stance: http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/foru...?tid=61323

In other words: You hide behind some TOS and "balance" just to make money, right?

[SilverPaladin]

Whoops, in after update...

[warm_vuur]

(04-01-2012 05:19 PM)Ainudil Wrote:  It isn't about -ignoring- legacy players. Simple fact is that this is our stance: http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/foru...?tid=61323

Wich is wrong, because those elite legacy attachment weren't overpowered AT ALL, everyone thought customization was here to improve the weapon you already have so they became even better, and NOT that EAsy would nerf everything and you would need to buy customization options to get your original old weapon back, wich is in my eyes a form of crime.

[-Tigar-]

(04-01-2012 05:15 PM)palerider63 Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 04:41 PM)Fowler Wrote:  I have sent Silvanoshi a pm and or @OskarBurman on twitter messages. We need to play this right ladies and gents. We also need to stop all this talk of DDos attacks. They need to know the community is not happy with the decision they made on Dec 20, 2011. You can rant and vent about pulling your money out and ceasing the rental of clan servers. Hitting their wallets is one thing, threatening them with assaults and DDos attacks is childish.

To EASY:
Your community is not happy. You have a chance here, a chance to get a good reputation for both EAsy and EA.
Step 1: Admit that the Dec 20th update was a horrible decision. Announce it publicly in the forum and elsewhere on the BP4F site.
Step 2: All those with +3 weapons or equivalent of Veterans Weapons, be given back exactly what they paid for. BP4F is a pay to play game. "Fair and Balanced Play" should mean, those that haven't spent money to be on the same tier as your elite players can fork up the money to be there, if not..oh well.

An example of unfair:
I had purchased the Elite M24 Sniper Rifle. Before Dec 20th it held 9 rounds in the mag. After the update I can only hold 6, unless, I rent an expanded mag for another 3 rounds. So I had 9 rounds, now have 6, but you want me to pay more money for something I already had. Not a good business model.
In this forum there are many diagrams of Elite Weapons next to +3 statistics. You community is not stupid. We know what we paid for and what we now have. If you decide to fix this issue, please let it be known that this community WILL make sure that the weapons we receive are on par with the Elite Weapons we originally purchased.

If this issue is addressed, and you admit your mistake a few things might happen. I am not saying that they 100% will happen but might.
1: Paying players may return.
2: Well known clans might resume server rentals.
3: You could actually save face with your community.
4: New players would feel comfortable paying to be on the same tier as people who pay for Elite Weapons.

You have a chance to save face and make money. Also if I were you, lower your prices. More people would spend money if prices weren't so high. Lower Prices = Higher Volume of purchases. Here in the US we have a huge chain of stores known as Wal-Mart. They have low prices and extremely high sales volume.

Yes guys I pulled the Wal-Mart card..

It's a relatively simple business model and one I think would make people come back and play. Also, and here's a big one, please discuss things with your community before you make a bad decision like this again. Involve the people who make you money, that would be a huge step.

100 % agree

+1

[-=OG=-RPGforYOU]

(04-01-2012 05:19 PM)Ainudil Wrote:  It isn't about -ignoring- legacy players. Simple fact is that this is our stance: http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/foru...?tid=61323

Lets leave the fact out if you like or not like the nerfing.

But VitalBullet said it is for the sake of balance. Lets watch that Mortar Strike booster and RPG booster, and maybe just maybe fix them. So they are more balanced out?

That's just what I honestly don't understand at all, for the sake of balance but lets leave the things that are way to OP just be OP? How hard is it to change the value numbers in the files. What 30 minutes of work?

And then you might speak of the sake of balance! Otherwise the word balance you use, has no meaning at all!

,RPGforYOU

[Akantokiller]

(04-01-2012 05:36 PM)RPGforYOU Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 05:19 PM)Ainudil Wrote:  It isn't about -ignoring- legacy players. Simple fact is that this is our stance: http://battlefield.play4free.com/en/foru...?tid=61323

Lets leave the fact out if you like or not like the nerfing. But VitalBullet said it is for the sake of balance. Lets watch that Mortar Strike booster and RPG booster, and maybe just maybe fix them.
So they are more balanced out?

That's just what I honestly don't understand at all, for the sake of balance but lets leave the things that are way to OP just be OP? How hard is it to change the value numbers in the files. What 30 minutes of work?

And then you might speak of the sake of balance! Otherwise the word balance you use, has no meaning at all!

,RPGforYOU

come on, you know, I know, we all know, that they didnt made it for "balance" they just want us to buy there attachments. No, to rent them every week...

[acacommando]

give me back my elite weapons that i payed for

[nunucbka]

(04-01-2012 04:41 PM)Fowler Wrote:  I have sent Silvanoshi a pm and or @OskarBurman on twitter messages. We need to play this right ladies and gents. We also need to stop all this talk of DDos attacks. They need to know the community is not happy with the decision they made on Dec 20, 2011. You can rant and vent about pulling your money out and ceasing the rental of clan servers. Hitting their wallets is one thing, threatening them with assaults and DDos attacks is childish.

To EASY:
Your community is not happy. You have a chance here, a chance to get a good reputation for both EAsy and EA.
Step 1: Admit that the Dec 20th update was a horrible decision. Announce it publicly in the forum and elsewhere on the BP4F site.
Step 2: All those with +3 weapons or equivalent of Veterans Weapons, be given back exactly what they paid for. BP4F is a pay to play game. "Fair and Balanced Play" should mean, those that haven't spent money to be on the same tier as your elite players can fork up the money to be there, if not..oh well.

An example of unfair:
I had purchased the Elite M24 Sniper Rifle. Before Dec 20th it held 9 rounds in the mag. After the update I can only hold 6, unless, I rent an expanded mag for another 3 rounds. So I had 9 rounds, now have 6, but you want me to pay more money for something I already had. Not a good business model.
In this forum there are many diagrams of Elite Weapons next to +3 statistics. You community is not stupid. We know what we paid for and what we now have. If you decide to fix this issue, please let it be known that this community WILL make sure that the weapons we receive are on par with the Elite Weapons we originally purchased.

If this issue is addressed, and you admit your mistake a few things might happen. I am not saying that they 100% will happen but might.
1: Paying players may return.
2: Well known clans might resume server rentals.
3: You could actually save face with your community.
4: New players would feel comfortable paying to be on the same tier as people who pay for Elite Weapons.

You have a chance to save face and make money. Also if I were you, lower your prices. More people would spend money if prices weren't so high. Lower Prices = Higher Volume of purchases. Here in the US we have a huge chain of stores known as Wal-Mart. They have low prices and extremely high sales volume.

Yes guys I pulled the Wal-Mart card..

It's a relatively simple business model and one I think would make people come back and play. Also, and here's a big one, please discuss things with your community before you make a bad decision like this again. Involve the people who make you money, that would be a huge step.

Agree with you, guy.

[perfected2kill]

still not fixed i see

[j4rh34d]

(04-01-2012 04:41 PM)Fowler Wrote:  I have sent Silvanoshi a pm and or @OskarBurman on twitter messages. We need to play this right ladies and gents. We also need to stop all this talk of DDos attacks. They need to know the community is not happy with the decision they made on Dec 20, 2011. You can rant and vent about pulling your money out and ceasing the rental of clan servers. Hitting their wallets is one thing, threatening them with assaults and DDos attacks is childish.

To EASY:
Your community is not happy. You have a chance here, a chance to get a good reputation for both EAsy and EA.
Step 1: Admit that the Dec 20th update was a horrible decision. Announce it publicly in the forum and elsewhere on the BP4F site.
Step 2: All those with +3 weapons or equivalent of Veterans Weapons, be given back exactly what they paid for. BP4F is a pay to play game. "Fair and Balanced Play" should mean, those that haven't spent money to be on the same tier as your elite players can fork up the money to be there, if not..oh well.

An example of unfair:
I had purchased the Elite M24 Sniper Rifle. Before Dec 20th it held 9 rounds in the mag. After the update I can only hold 6, unless, I rent an expanded mag for another 3 rounds. So I had 9 rounds, now have 6, but you want me to pay more money for something I already had. Not a good business model.
In this forum there are many diagrams of Elite Weapons next to +3 statistics. You community is not stupid. We know what we paid for and what we now have. If you decide to fix this issue, please let it be known that this community WILL make sure that the weapons we receive are on par with the Elite Weapons we originally purchased.

If this issue is addressed, and you admit your mistake a few things might happen. I am not saying that they 100% will happen but might.
1: Paying players may return.
2: Well known clans might resume server rentals.
3: You could actually save face with your community.
4: New players would feel comfortable paying to be on the same tier as people who pay for Elite Weapons.

You have a chance to save face and make money. Also if I were you, lower your prices. More people would spend money if prices weren't so high. Lower Prices = Higher Volume of purchases. Here in the US we have a huge chain of stores known as Wal-Mart. They have low prices and extremely high sales volume.

Yes guys I pulled the Wal-Mart card..

It's a relatively simple business model and one I think would make people come back and play. Also, and here's a big one, please discuss things with your community before you make a bad decision like this again. Involve the people who make you money, that would be a huge step.

They would make more money if they put more content in the store instead of dreaming up frankly ludricous ways to try to make people buy the same item again and again

You don't go to MacDonalds, eat a burger and then get accosted by staff who force you to sick it up on a plate and try and get you buy it again, because now your stomach is empty - you must be hungry again right?

Ultimately having lots more things for people to buy is what made the BFH model work, not taking away permanent items and saying to people 'now you must buy them again' The amount of time and effort you have put into this scam surely could have been more productively put into addidng more weapons, clothing and gadgets, it worked for BFH why do you think it won't work here??!?

I for one have been put of buying stuff as I am concerned I will just loose it, I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like this - how does that improve sales???!?

[DerDoc]

(04-01-2012 04:41 PM)Fowler Wrote:  I have sent Silvanoshi a pm and or @OskarBurman on twitter messages. We need to play this right ladies and gents. We also need to stop all this talk of DDos attacks. They need to know the community is not happy with the decision they made on Dec 20, 2011. You can rant and vent about pulling your money out and ceasing the rental of clan servers. Hitting their wallets is one thing, threatening them with assaults and DDos attacks is childish.

To EASY:
Your community is not happy. You have a chance here, a chance to get a good reputation for both EAsy and EA.
Step 1: Admit that the Dec 20th update was a horrible decision. Announce it publicly in the forum and elsewhere on the BP4F site.
Step 2: All those with +3 weapons or equivalent of Veterans Weapons, be given back exactly what they paid for. BP4F is a pay to play game. "Fair and Balanced Play" should mean, those that haven't spent money to be on the same tier as your elite players can fork up the money to be there, if not..oh well.

An example of unfair:
I had purchased the Elite M24 Sniper Rifle. Before Dec 20th it held 9 rounds in the mag. After the update I can only hold 6, unless, I rent an expanded mag for another 3 rounds. So I had 9 rounds, now have 6, but you want me to pay more money for something I already had. Not a good business model.
In this forum there are many diagrams of Elite Weapons next to +3 statistics. You community is not stupid. We know what we paid for and what we now have. If you decide to fix this issue, please let it be known that this community WILL make sure that the weapons we receive are on par with the Elite Weapons we originally purchased.

If this issue is addressed, and you admit your mistake a few things might happen. I am not saying that they 100% will happen but might.
1: Paying players may return.
2: Well known clans might resume server rentals.
3: You could actually save face with your community.
4: New players would feel comfortable paying to be on the same tier as people who pay for Elite Weapons.

You have a chance to save face and make money. Also if I were you, lower your prices. More people would spend money if prices weren't so high. Lower Prices = Higher Volume of purchases. Here in the US we have a huge chain of stores known as Wal-Mart. They have low prices and extremely high sales volume.

Yes guys I pulled the Wal-Mart card..

It's a relatively simple business model and one I think would make people come back and play. Also, and here's a big one, please discuss things with your community before you make a bad decision like this again. Involve the people who make you money, that would be a huge step.

Totally agree +1000!!!!!!

[Deaderik]

(04-01-2012 03:08 PM)GarTZilla Wrote:  Has anyone played with the Akhaban since the update? LOL, my god... EAsy really knows how to kill a decent gun. 20/40 bullet loadout? 2 bullets firing at a time... 10 clicks you're done, 30 clicks you're outta luck. You are forced to sit on your ammo box. Otherwise you run out of ammo in moments. 5 more bullets than your default pistol.

This game is completely broken now because of this update. All this update has accomplished in doing is promote MS/RPG Booster abuse. Promote Rampant USAS use. Non-existent ammo for snipers(12 bullets, really?). Terrible accuracy of weapons. +3 Damage? what a joke. But apparently, Legacy Attachments was bringing the game into imbalance. In one fell swoop the geniuses at EAsy destroyed a great game... and then ran. "Vacation" apparently. I call it hiding out like criminals.

Distrust among the community. Feelings of being stolen from and scammed. Threats of Legal Action. Update after Update introducing more money making scams rather fixing the multiple bugs plaguing the game that have been brought up time and time again. Almost 300 pages of rage. AND STILL NO OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE DEVS. Just one douchebag move after another.

Thieves and Liars. Plain and simple.

i played with the an-94 +3 a few times but its a horrible weapon, by far not what i paid for.
i even have to use it as a shotgun now while a month ago i used it to kill recons on high rooftops.
That aint possible anymore since the spread and recoil got increased.
I stopped playing this game since i figured out how much it sucked.

1 of the things i mostly hated about this update was that they blamed it on fair play.
While everyone here knows that the boosters make this game unfair.
Instead of removing them, they just add more and more.
Besides they didnt even code legacy attachments properly, causing them to be slightly more powerfull.
But that was EA's fault, not ours.

[Fowler]

(04-01-2012 05:51 PM)j4rh34d Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 04:41 PM)Fowler Wrote:  I have sent Silvanoshi a pm and or @OskarBurman on twitter messages. We need to play this right ladies and gents. We also need to stop all this talk of DDos attacks. They need to know the community is not happy with the decision they made on Dec 20, 2011. You can rant and vent about pulling your money out and ceasing the rental of clan servers. Hitting their wallets is one thing, threatening them with assaults and DDos attacks is childish.

To EASY:
Your community is not happy. You have a chance here, a chance to get a good reputation for both EAsy and EA.
Step 1: Admit that the Dec 20th update was a horrible decision. Announce it publicly in the forum and elsewhere on the BP4F site.
Step 2: All those with +3 weapons or equivalent of Veterans Weapons, be given back exactly what they paid for. BP4F is a pay to play game. "Fair and Balanced Play" should mean, those that haven't spent money to be on the same tier as your elite players can fork up the money to be there, if not..oh well.

An example of unfair:
I had purchased the Elite M24 Sniper Rifle. Before Dec 20th it held 9 rounds in the mag. After the update I can only hold 6, unless, I rent an expanded mag for another 3 rounds. So I had 9 rounds, now have 6, but you want me to pay more money for something I already had. Not a good business model.
In this forum there are many diagrams of Elite Weapons next to +3 statistics. You community is not stupid. We know what we paid for and what we now have. If you decide to fix this issue, please let it be known that this community WILL make sure that the weapons we receive are on par with the Elite Weapons we originally purchased.

If this issue is addressed, and you admit your mistake a few things might happen. I am not saying that they 100% will happen but might.
1: Paying players may return.
2: Well known clans might resume server rentals.
3: You could actually save face with your community.
4: New players would feel comfortable paying to be on the same tier as people who pay for Elite Weapons.

You have a chance to save face and make money. Also if I were you, lower your prices. More people would spend money if prices weren't so high. Lower Prices = Higher Volume of purchases. Here in the US we have a huge chain of stores known as Wal-Mart. They have low prices and extremely high sales volume.

Yes guys I pulled the Wal-Mart card..

It's a relatively simple business model and one I think would make people come back and play. Also, and here's a big one, please discuss things with your community before you make a bad decision like this again. Involve the people who make you money, that would be a huge step.

They would make more money if they put more content in the store instead of dreaming up frankly ludricous ways to try to make people buy the same item again and again

You don't go to MacDonalds, eat a burger and then get accosted by staff who force you to sick it up on a plate and try and get you buy it again, because now your stomach is empty - you must be hungry again right?

Ultimately having lots more things for people to buy is what made the BFH model work, not taking away permanent items and saying to people 'now you must buy them again' The amount of time and effort you have put into this scam surely could have been more productively put into addidng more weapons, clothing and gadgets, it worked for BFH why do you think it won't work here??!?

I for one have been put of buying stuff as I am concerned I will just loose it, I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like this - how does that improve sales???!?

It's pretty simple really. Lower BF cost of items and make them permanent. Let's say you buy an M4 elite for 600 BF or an M4 Veteran for 400 BF and so on. Those Items would remain in your permanent inventory. You could honestly stock up on cool weapons. If you have an Elite Weapon, you could no longer customize it. However you could customize Veteran and Stock weapons to Elite status using credits for a duration of time. Enough time to play a fair and balanced game to earn more credits to customize your stock weapons. Also make stock weapons available permanently using a credit amount for your permanent inventory. I see how this is in no way unreasonable.

[Vladulain]

(04-01-2012 05:51 PM)j4rh34d Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 04:41 PM)Fowler Wrote:  I have sent Silvanoshi a pm and or @OskarBurman on twitter messages. We need to play this right ladies and gents. We also need to stop all this talk of DDos attacks. They need to know the community is not happy with the decision they made on Dec 20, 2011. You can rant and vent about pulling your money out and ceasing the rental of clan servers. Hitting their wallets is one thing, threatening them with assaults and DDos attacks is childish.

To EASY:
Your community is not happy. You have a chance here, a chance to get a good reputation for both EAsy and EA.
Step 1: Admit that the Dec 20th update was a horrible decision. Announce it publicly in the forum and elsewhere on the BP4F site.
Step 2: All those with +3 weapons or equivalent of Veterans Weapons, be given back exactly what they paid for. BP4F is a pay to play game. "Fair and Balanced Play" should mean, those that haven't spent money to be on the same tier as your elite players can fork up the money to be there, if not..oh well.

An example of unfair:
I had purchased the Elite M24 Sniper Rifle. Before Dec 20th it held 9 rounds in the mag. After the update I can only hold 6, unless, I rent an expanded mag for another 3 rounds. So I had 9 rounds, now have 6, but you want me to pay more money for something I already had. Not a good business model.
In this forum there are many diagrams of Elite Weapons next to +3 statistics. You community is not stupid. We know what we paid for and what we now have. If you decide to fix this issue, please let it be known that this community WILL make sure that the weapons we receive are on par with the Elite Weapons we originally purchased.

If this issue is addressed, and you admit your mistake a few things might happen. I am not saying that they 100% will happen but might.
1: Paying players may return.
2: Well known clans might resume server rentals.
3: You could actually save face with your community.
4: New players would feel comfortable paying to be on the same tier as people who pay for Elite Weapons.

You have a chance to save face and make money. Also if I were you, lower your prices. More people would spend money if prices weren't so high. Lower Prices = Higher Volume of purchases. Here in the US we have a huge chain of stores known as Wal-Mart. They have low prices and extremely high sales volume.

Yes guys I pulled the Wal-Mart card..

It's a relatively simple business model and one I think would make people come back and play. Also, and here's a big one, please discuss things with your community before you make a bad decision like this again. Involve the people who make you money, that would be a huge step.

They would make more money if they put more content in the store instead of dreaming up frankly ludricous ways to try to make people buy the same item again and again

You don't go to MacDonalds, eat a burger and then get accosted by staff who force you to sick it up on a plate and try and get you buy it again, because now your stomach is empty - you must be hungry again right?

Ultimately having lots more things for people to buy is what made the BFH model work, not taking away permanent items and saying to people 'now you must buy them again' The amount of time and effort you have put into this scam surely could have been more productively put into addidng more weapons, clothing and gadgets, it worked for BFH why do you think it won't work here??!?

I for one have been put of buying stuff as I am concerned I will just loose it, I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like this - how does that improve sales???!?

Kind of like driving around town in a newly purchased Corvette, only to get pulled over by the police because people in the area were jealous. "We're sorry sir, but we need to confiscate your Vette, please accept the keys to this Yugo in return".

[NellaF]

Give us our weapons back!

[Akantokiller]

(04-01-2012 05:48 PM)perfected2kill Wrote:  still not fixed i see

and never will be...

[hittmen0t]

All I'm saying is: Not 1 Cent. Never again, EAsy.

And no, I am no longer expecting any sort of reaction.
They have kept us waiting, hoping for the storm to die down. and now it's business as usual again, and this is how they will go on. Ben's presentation made that very clear. Don't expect anything except a few cosmetic changes.

Average revenue per customer was probably not high enough as yet. Well, go steal from someone else, my money is staying in my pocket from now on.

[0utburst]

What they meant by balance is, newly bought weapons will need to rent attachments. So should old weapons.

[Pannenfahrer]

I have started my client just to see how "many" servers we´ve got. Only 20 available for Europe. FAIL.

[Dreadstorm]

Guys. Read the thread about the true story of the 20th december update.