Underkill on the Jets.

[Andy]

You had the machine gun just right before, it wasn't easy to destroy a chopper in one pass as it was, now it's impossible. Splash damage on ground troops is too weak also. I do however like the fact it takes longer to shoot down another plane in a dogfight, requires more skill!

[NinjaSpeed]

wait they nerfed the damage on the jet minigun???? wtf is rong with EA.....

[Andy]

You're making me paranoid now! i'm in jets 60-70% of the time on oman and i know they've weakened it as well as tweaking the handling also, which i think is more agile now so +1 for that.

I understand the need for balance, if you'd make the guns as lethal as they are in real life then they'd destroy the game, but they're just too weak now, it's like a rapid fire pea shooter

[GraveDisorder]

The Choppers have been Nerfed also.

[Sebass]

I agree with you! I love to fly with jets but now... Its frustraiting! Yesterday i saw a lot of enemis at A, i dropp the bombs and hit right in the middle of that group.. And what happened!? Nothing.. Explosions are too UP! Also for granades..

[Andy]

I see they've nerfed the points you can get from vehicle damage but to be fair that's the same with ground troops and throwing grenades at vehicles.

In a jet i could easily get 10,000+ points now it's usually 5-6k

All said and done at the end of the day you're supposed to be scared when a jet or attach chopper is flying overhead, i think most gamers accept that. I saw more bitching about people not getting jets themselves than people complaining about being killed from them.

[Mage]

I dunno. The heli I was in went from factory-fresh to a fiery comet in a single pass of a plane. And so did my T-90 later. Planes are still pretty scary for us groundpounders.

[HATE]

"At the end of the day you're supposed to be scared when a <vehicle> comes at you"

This is one of the core arguments the design group has regarding vehicles. We feel that we would rather cut a vehicle like a tank or jet completely than make it into a parody toy.

Can't comment on recent tuning changes but they are tuning changes, more will happen as time goes on.

[Johnysnake]

I think that planes still do what they should do. Killing infantry, AA´s, armored vehicles and other jets.
Skills make a difference. Glad, some people leave the planes now and get another vehicle instead.

Planes should not be a killing machine, unless it´s controled by an ace pilot.

[I_Still_a_VIRGIN]

Soon tank will be like buggy and buggy like tank. All explained but jet and chopaaaaa idk like UFO ultra weak lazers and stuff

[MrFixIt]

The jet bombs seem to do almost no damage to armour too, I've repeatedly had just "+2" from a bombing run recently.

[Mr.MagicStick]

Same thing with chopper secondary missles. +1 damage on a locked on target. Happens repeatedly since patch.

If the developers would just model the choppers missile reload times and the gunners gun/ammo after the Apache in ghost town (bf2 special forces map) I think the balance would be good and my gunner would be more than a hood ornament.

[OneTyme]

(01-03-2011 12:37 PM)Andy Wrote:  I see they've nerfed the points you can get from vehicle damage but to be fair that's the same with ground troops and throwing grenades at vehicles.

In a jet i could easily get 10,000+ points now it's usually 5-6k

All said and done at the end of the day you're supposed to be scared when a jet or attach chopper is flying overhead, i think most gamers accept that. I saw more bitching about people not getting jets themselves than people complaining about being killed from them.

Hmmm...think about that for a second. Now does that make me feel like the jets are UPd now...or like the jets were OPd then? I would go with OPd then...seeing as how most scores in every game don't get to 10,000 unless someone was using a jet or heli. But now even in a jet or heli the whole round, you don't get those high scores like 10,000. To me that sounds a lot more balanced than they used to be.

I mean sure, the people who stay in the jets and helis all round will now complain about not getting 10,000 points per round anymore. What's new?

I think they are just fine now and much more balanced than before. Now the pilots of each round do not determine the outcome of the match, and are not always at the top of the scoreboard.

[JPoling]

(01-03-2011 04:21 PM)MrFixIt Wrote:  The jet bombs seem to do almost no damage to armour too, I've repeatedly had just "+2" from a bombing run recently.

when you say repeatedly, do you mean you dropped the bomb and then it just kept ticking +2 over and over, if thats the case that means he almost killed it and now the vehicles health is so low its ticking down so while he is in vehicle that damage ticking down you still get the points hope that helps

[MrFixIt]

(01-03-2011 05:48 PM)JPoling Wrote:  

(01-03-2011 04:21 PM)MrFixIt Wrote:  The jet bombs seem to do almost no damage to armour too, I've repeatedly had just "+2" from a bombing run recently.

when you say repeatedly, do you mean you dropped the bomb and then it just kept ticking +2 over and over, if thats the case that means he almost killed it and now the vehicles health is so low its ticking down so while he is in vehicle that damage ticking down you still get the points hope that helps

No, I mean I'd get a single +2 from a run, reload, bomb another target, and get a single +2 from that as well for the entire time I had jets and tried to bomb tanks/apcs

[Andy]

(01-03-2011 04:02 PM)I_Still_a_VIRGIN Wrote:  Soon tank will be like buggy and buggy like tank. All explained but jet and chopaaaaa idk like UFO ultra weak lazers and stuff

I'm not so sure you're 18 buddy boy or maybe you're just Korean!

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(01-03-2011 05:41 PM)OneTyme Wrote:  

(01-03-2011 12:37 PM)Andy Wrote:  I see they've nerfed the points you can get from vehicle damage but to be fair that's the same with ground troops and throwing grenades at vehicles.

In a jet i could easily get 10,000+ points now it's usually 5-6k

All said and done at the end of the day you're supposed to be scared when a jet or attach chopper is flying overhead, i think most gamers accept that. I saw more bitching about people not getting jets themselves than people complaining about being killed from them.

Hmmm...think about that for a second. Now does that make me feel like the jets are UPd now...or like the jets were OPd then? I would go with OPd then...seeing as how most scores in every game don't get to 10,000 unless someone was using a jet or heli. But now even in a jet or heli the whole round, you don't get those high scores like 10,000. To me that sounds a lot more balanced than they used to be.

I mean sure, the people who stay in the jets and helis all round will now complain about not getting 10,000 points per round anymore. What's new?

I think they are just fine now and much more balanced than before. Now the pilots of each round do not determine the outcome of the match, and are not always at the top of the scoreboard.

I don't have a problem with the points halving, but i'd still like to kill tanks, can't even kill an APC in one pass without slowing so slow i fall out of the air! It needs improvement i think the Dev's see that

[Robinis]

soo that means dont fly.. i hit destroy tank or apc form a jet with only one pass..

[Sebass]

fly a jet is not funny now... bombs should make more radius dmg

[GraveDisorder]

(01-03-2011 06:59 PM)Andy Wrote:  

(01-03-2011 04:02 PM)I_Still_a_VIRGIN Wrote:  Soon tank will be like buggy and buggy like tank. All explained but jet and chopaaaaa idk like UFO ultra weak lazers and stuff

I'm not so sure you're 18 buddy boy or maybe you're just Korean!

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That's a little racist mate not cool

[JPoling]

more radius damage? you guys know you should be dropping your bombs like right on the vehicle right? and here is a hint for all you jet noobs, 1. DONT FLY LOW, 2. instead of doing passes try DIVE attacks instead of trying to stay low and doing loops and passing over everyone go up in the air and come straight down at them spraying MG, and then when your pulling up to pass over and go back up in air drop your bombs they will go straight down pretty much if you learn how to aim the bombs correctly