It seems to be OP

[mooning_cat]

After playing some rounds with the MG3 I switched back to the M249 saw, put some equipment on it and joined a server. After a few minutes I notice that it aint be a problem to take ten guys down, reload and kill the next ten. Seriously, with the the attachments Ive bought that gun does two shot kills at every range, quite OP for a lmg tho. Combined with very good accuracy and nearly no recoil that thing is the medic's MP5+3... Just check the stats of that beast. Seriously, give some more power to assault rifles, but nerf that laser cannon.

[JuniorJr]

(26-05-2012 11:54 PM)mooning_cat Wrote:  After playing some rounds with the MG3 I switched back to the M249 saw, put some equipment on it and joined a server. After a few minutes I notice that it aint be a problem to take ten guys down, reload and kill the next ten. Seriously, with the the attachments Ive bought that gun does two shot kills at every range, quite OP for a lmg tho. Combined with very good accuracy and nearly no recoil that thing is the medic's MP5+3... Just check the stats of that beast. Seriously, give some more power to assault rifles, but nerf that laser cannon.

Troll? Were you one to agree to +3? Of course it's a good weapon, with attachments, it's horrible without it. Also please remove your sig, your stupidity already burns.

[AntiBooster]

UPlayedwithMg36Bro?
Ok first of all the ingame stats are wrong.

The mg36 has the best ADS and Hipfire accuracy out of all the lmgs. Saw isn't that accurate compared to the MG36 , the InGame stats are wrong. And just to add on, the Rpk( low accuracy ) is more accurate than the Saw. Hence saw does not need a nerf .
The recoil of the MG36 is almost On par with the Saw, in fact the difference is not even noticed

Also mg36 has super quick reload time , 3 magazines.

So if anything needs a nerf, it's the Mg36 , not the Saw

There you go:
http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/search?#s=...%3B18%3B4.
The link doesn't work for some reason

[DocZiLLa]

The Vanilla MG36 and Saw have nearly identical accuracy stats.

However, the MG36 has slightly better hip fire accuracy, better projectile velocity, better range, and better damage at distance. It has slightly more vertical recoil but not much more. Most importantly, it has a significantly reduced reload time compared to the Saw(5.3 seconds : 7.1 seconds).

Is the Saw OP? Possibly, but compared to the MG36 it is less so.

I wonder if anyone has brought up the "OP-Ness" of the MP5?

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[YOUREBESTFRIEND]

and now everyone wonder why assault class is dead

try comparing f2000 to this lol....xD

[mooning_cat]

(27-05-2012 12:12 AM)DocZiLLa Wrote:  The Vanilla MG36 and Saw have nearly identical accuracy stats.

However, the MG36 has slightly better hip fire accuracy, better projectile velocity, better range, and better damage at distance. It has slightly more vertical recoil but not much more. Most importantly, it has a significantly reduced reload time compared to the Saw(5.3 seconds : 7.1 seconds).

Is the Saw OP? Possibly, but compared to the MG36 it is less so.

I wonder if anyone has brought up the "OP-Ness" of the MP5?

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dont have the MG36+3, but you seem to be right... http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/96f81a20...e0ac8d9123 Seriously, medic weapons need to get nerfed!

[AntiBooster]

(27-05-2012 12:12 AM)DocZiLLa Wrote:  The Vanilla MG36 and Saw have nearly identical accuracy stats.

However, the MG36 has slightly better hip fire accuracy, better projectile velocity, better range, and better damage at distance. It has slightly more vertical recoil but not much more. Most importantly, it has a significantly reduced reload time compared to the Saw(5.3 seconds : 7.1 seconds).

Is the Saw OP? Possibly, but compared to the MG36 it is less so.

I wonder if anyone has brought up the "OP-Ness" of the MP5?

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Hey man MG 36 has better Ads accuracy as well.

[BoomStick.]

LMG is pretty much all that medic has and relies on, so nerfing them wouldn't be a very good idea. Most weapons in +3 + viper mags combination will seem somewhat overpowered.

[Gam3King]

(27-05-2012 12:47 AM)BoomStick. Wrote:  LMG is pretty much all that medic has and relies on, so nerfing them wouldn't be a very good idea. Most weapons in +3 + viper mags combination will seem somewhat overpowered.

Next EAsy step: unable to add viper mags on +3 weapons, Reason: To OP.

Thanks Boomstick.

[DocZiLLa]

(27-05-2012 12:22 AM)AntiBooster Wrote:  Hey man MG 36 has better Ads accuracy as well.

Yeah, that as well. Both are excellent guns but MG36 has a slight edge.

For me, the biggest and most notable difference between the 2 comes down to reload speed. When you are in a tight spot those 7.1 seconds feel like an eternity.

(27-05-2012 12:47 AM)BoomStick. Wrote:  LMG is pretty much all that medic has and relies on, so nerfing them wouldn't be a very good idea.

This.

EDIT:

[BoomStick.]

^You know it's true, I'm just making a statement. Sad truth is sad.

[EDIT]
That's my reply to Gam3King, but I got ninja'd.

[Conlin_Tom]

(27-05-2012 12:16 AM)mooning_cat Wrote:  

(27-05-2012 12:12 AM)DocZiLLa Wrote:  The Vanilla MG36 and Saw have nearly identical accuracy stats.

However, the MG36 has slightly better hip fire accuracy, better projectile velocity, better range, and better damage at distance. It has slightly more vertical recoil but not much more. Most importantly, it has a significantly reduced reload time compared to the Saw(5.3 seconds : 7.1 seconds).

Is the Saw OP? Possibly, but compared to the MG36 it is less so.

I wonder if anyone has brought up the "OP-Ness" of the MP5?

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dont have the MG36+3, but you seem to be right... http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/96f81a20...e0ac8d9123 Seriously, medic weapons need to get nerfed!

Oh man, please tell me you're not taking the MG3 into account in that sentence....

[Nord]]

Indeed assault class needs a buff, little less recoil on the guns and especially normal sized mags, at least so you reach 30/31 - 35 bullets with vipermag and not that retarded 26 - 29 mags as its currently, even those 6 more bullets from 29 to 30 can give you one or even two more kills.

On the other hand the LMG's are NOT OP'd, neither the MG36 nor the M249 SAW.
What is OP and does need to be nerfed is space+ctrl+RMB aka Jump + Crouch + Aim Down Sights - accuracy, from all classes its benefits medic the most and is, in fact, the only reason why not camping medics can succseed.
Exair did it, I do it and every other fairly effective medic will do it aswell.

[Gam3King]

(27-05-2012 01:05 AM)BoomStick. Wrote:  ^You know it's true, I'm just making a statement. Sad truth is sad.

[EDIT]
That's my reply to Gam3King, but I got ninja'd.

I'd rather have weapons with 2 shots a kill than 5 shots. :/

[iZzZ]

(26-05-2012 11:57 PM)JuniorJr Wrote:  Of course it's a good weapon, with attachments, it's horrible without it.

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[BoomStick.]

(27-05-2012 01:29 AM)Gam3King Wrote:  I'd rather have weapons with 2 shots a kill than 5 shots. :/

Who wouldn't? I'd like to kill as effectively as possible as well. And expecting, that with clothing inserts, we might notice a drastic increase of people using body armor, my hunger for more firepower will be even greater. Still there's that point when something has just too much power and it no longer feels right.

[Pvt.Parts]

(26-05-2012 11:54 PM)mooning_cat Wrote:  Seriously, with the the attachments Ive bought that gun does two shot kills at every rangestats .

uhm...two shot kills if you hit ppl in the head. otherwise it takes up to 4 (even 5 for 110hp).

also assault rifles are much more useful while you are moving. delay for ADS is less and the inaccuracy on hipfire is much better compared to LMGs.

considering this i don't see anything OP about it except while you are camping.

[NeedSomeHP]

(27-05-2012 12:16 AM)mooning_cat Wrote:  

(27-05-2012 12:12 AM)DocZiLLa Wrote:  The Vanilla MG36 and Saw have nearly identical accuracy stats.

However, the MG36 has slightly better hip fire accuracy, better projectile velocity, better range, and better damage at distance. It has slightly more vertical recoil but not much more. Most importantly, it has a significantly reduced reload time compared to the Saw(5.3 seconds : 7.1 seconds).

Is the Saw OP? Possibly, but compared to the MG36 it is less so.

I wonder if anyone has brought up the "OP-Ness" of the MP5?

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dont have the MG36+3, but you seem to be right... http://bfp4f.alchemical.ch/en/_/96f81a20...e0ac8d9123 Seriously, medic weapons need to get nerfed!

No med box or revives 4 you

[MadHaTT3R]

(27-05-2012 02:49 AM)Pvt.Parts Wrote:  

(26-05-2012 11:54 PM)mooning_cat Wrote:  Seriously, with the the attachments Ive bought that gun does two shot kills at every rangestats .

uhm...two shot kills if you hit ppl in the head. otherwise it takes up to 4 (even 5 for 110hp).

also assault rifles are much more useful while you are moving. delay for ADS is less and the inaccuracy on hipfire is much better compared to LMGs.

considering this i don't see anything OP about it except while you are camping.

I was going to question this statement as well. Ive been using my 249 since I cant even remember. Think I got it in closed beta as a gift or something. Ive seen it great and seen it nerfed, but never seen it 2 shot anyone, ever! Just not gonna happen. way to much deviation, even with the best attachments. 4 hits is a good aim, but 3 bursts of 3 shots is the average.

If I could hip fire better with it, THEN it would be OP. As it is, good players kill me a lot and not so good ones don't. The gun is incidental.

[Stelle]

Nothing needs a nerf. It's just the assault rifles that needs buff.