Legacy attachment removal and upcoming changes

[Septuagint]

(10-01-2012 05:00 AM)Wizlawz Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 04:18 AM)BugsySigel Wrote:  I say that the balance to 20го was pleasant December to all and complaints not it weren't. Let there are weapon improvements. I liked to put them on mine АЕК-971. Now I simply don't buy them.

sry now i am confused

Lol i think hes saying prior to dec 20 their were hardly any complaints (other than booster complaints). He used to put attachments on his aek, but doesnt anymore.


Anyway, im still waiting for EAsy to give me current perm and apparently fair attachments since they took my unfair ones away. That would clear this up and makes complete sense. (ill be waiting forever.)

[TalkingDog]

until the performance of the guns return to being 'on par' with what we originally purchased most players (including me) will not play the game or purchase any BF. This means you lose EAsy, you took a really good game and turned it to crap.

[elmo93]

I want all that i had before the update , i wouldnt mind a minor reduction on the damage, and i mean minor ,but everthing should be the same, i played for a longtl time before i bought my aug holo and m249 , played with the mp7 and could come out possitive, most of the time, and had fun. That why i bought your weapons, not to totally dominate the battlefield but to support y'all, i support what i like and believe in, but i see things have change to my disappointment. loved it before dec1. Plus i never got angery if i got sniped from out of sight, figued they're the reason i got to enjoy the game, just had to figure how to get them back

Ps: this is socialism at its best

[Engel30]

Some of my opinions of the weapons . . .
All +3 weapons sucks, cant be compared with what an Elite gun was . . . D¨;
-M95
Now have 4/8 bullets - used to have 8/48 Bullets
Both The Bullet Drop & range are ridicululoussss . . .
-MP5
Now have 24/72 bullets - used to have 35/105 bullets
It was the engineer weapon with the lowest recoil and best accuracy, now recoil is ridiculous . . .
-Holo SAW
Now have 80/80 bullets - used to have 120/360 bullets
This weapon was my fav . . . now the same as the MP5 . . . Recoil & Bullet Spread sucks
-M4A1
Now have 20/60 bullets - used to have 40/120 bullets
this used to be my fav Assault Rifle . . .
-M16
Now have 25/50 bullets - used to have 35/105 bullets
used to be my 2nd fav Assault Rifle . . .

This is just my opinion . . .

[BennyBreeg]

Nope, not good enough. I would NEVER have purchased the weapon that you are describing. I WILL NOT purchase another one. You've gotten my money, but NEVER again, you've gotten my friends money; but never again.
When all is said and done, there will be JUDGEMENT.

[Parrina]

Keep the pressure on these guys and lets make sure they dont forget about the injustice that was done to the paying customers.Its inexcusable and has no place in a free society and should not go unpunished.The old thread that they so conveniently closed can be found in my signature.

[Engel30]

THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

To begin with.
I Spent exactly 8555 Battlefounds Only on weapons (I’m not even counting what I have spent on Uniforms & Boosters)
and i bought ALL my ELITE WEAPONS based 1st on the Ammo & Accuracy (Recoil, Bullet Drop/Spread, Range). . . . and 2nd on the damage of each weapon . . .

Since all +3 Weapons are a real piece of “work” . . .
The Community asked for you to either remove the 20th December patch or the refund of the battlefounds (REAL MONEY) . . .
In a later post you basically said that You are not giving us a refund of our money . . .
And Since the community keep asking you for the Removal of the 20th December update . . .
And you as Game Developer you keep ignoring the community' request to Remove the December 20 update and give us back the Elite/Veteran Weapons . . .

I know that all Free Games to generate money, game developers create “Premium” Items that can only be bought with REAL MONEY . . . To encourage a player to Buy this “Premium” item, “Premium” Items must have a clear advantage over the “FREE” base item available in the game . . .
So the more premium Items a game have, more money Game developers get . . .
Sooo . . . in other words . . .
You are getting payed with the money that we "invest" on your game in exchange of Battlefounds . . .

And from all the Free FPS that I have played this is the first game where I have been scammed by the Developers . . .

The 1st time you nerfed our “Weapons” was when you release the “NEW BOOSTERS” (Claymore, RPG, Chopper, Jet, grenade, etc…) and again the community was not happy (claymores, grenades, rpgs, skill, got nerfed) *I was not happy now it takes 3 mines/grenades/RPGs to kill 1 person, unless we buy the boosters . . . Claymores & grenades became useless to my recon . . . and now I have to buy a Booster, for something that I used to have with training points . . .
But hey looks like the community forgot about this . . . because most of them are happy with RPG & Mortar Booster . . .

And months later EAzy said: “Ok we need more money any ideas?”
And someone said “I have a great idea to make money . . . Lets lower the price of all permanent Elite & Veteran Weapons, so this noobs buy them, and then we remove them from the game, and give the player an identical black weapon, but with only +2 damage over the base weapons . . . ”

And the 20th December update was like:
Ok you bought a SCAR, but guess what you are getting this brand new +3 Nerf Gun . . . (and it’s not even +3, it’s really only a +2 . . . ) WTF!?!?!?!?


The Idea of Elite/Veteran weapons is to make a weapon with a clear advantage over a base weapon . . . and in order to get an Elite/veteran weapon one Must Pay REAL MONEY (BATTLEFOUNDS)
Each player had the option to either rent the weapon for a limited time, with credits or Battlefounds. Or To Buy it permanently for approximately 700-1100 battlefounds . . .
Every single person that choose to bought a PERMANET Elite/Veteran Weapon, did it to have something better than a base weapon, and because we were told that it was PERMANENT . . . (I think permanent means that you will keep this weapon as it is from the day you bought it until the day the game is closed)

And like if taking our Elite/Veteran Weapons and replace them for these +3 weapons isn’t enough . . .
you also raise the price of all Permanent weapons to 2500BF’s, that by the way if you buy/rent 1 do not expect to get a +3… cause you won’t.

You told the Community that you remove the Legacy Attachments (Elite/Veteran weapons) claiming that the game was unfair to the players that use base weapons, and didn’t buy battlefounds . . .

Now after THIS . . .
Is it a fair game to those who PAY REAL MONEY for weapons that we do not longer have?
Is it fair for those that pay your salary?
Is It fair for those who have been supporting this game since the Closed Beta?


And After thousands of complains from the community all you did was saying:

(09-01-2012 10:05 AM)VitalBullet Wrote:  Hello fellow Soldiers!

As you all know, we recently removed “Legacy” attachments from Battlefield Play4Free as a way to introduce a better level of balance in the game. We appreciate all the feedback that you’ve been giving our team since this change and we assure you, this was a tough decision and not an easy one to make. That being said, we believe that it will deliver the most fun and enjoyable gaming experience to all players and as such these changes will remain.

In the spirit of continually improving Battlefield Play4Free, we are listening to your feedback and responding. Over the next few weeks, we will be implementing several community requested changes to the “+3” weapons:

• Damage will be increased across all ranges of +3 weapons
  (Currently +3 weapons do 2 additional base (body) damage over all ranges compared to their non +3 counterpart. This will be increased to 3 addition points of damage)
• Base ammo count will be increased across all +3 weapons
  (This will vary depending on the weapon and the weapon type)
  

In addition, we will be making some changes to currently imbalanced boosters (for example, the Mortar Strike and RPG Boosters).

If you have additional questions about the “Legacy” attachments, please refer to this Q&A. As always, we greatly appreciate your feedback and if you wish to comment on these new changes, please feel free to join in below.

Best regards,
The Battlefield Play4Free Team

Sooo...
Your are actually telling me that this “+3 weapons” were really only +2 weapons!?
WTF!
I mean . . really . . .
WTF ! ! ! ! ! !
And about the ammo of the weapons . . . after the amazing work you have done so far, we will get 5 extra bullets on each weapon if we are lucky

(10-01-2012 03:32 AM)Parrina Wrote:  I totally agree that they have handled this extremy poorly.Its almost like a dictatorship and they do and say what they please without regard for the players and their best interests.

And I Totally agree with what Parrina said

For me, it’s like if they just don’t care about the community (BF's consumers), after all we already gave them our money and we are not getting it back . . .
It’s like all we can do is keep complaining about it, cause you just don’t care about the time & money we have invest in your game . . .

Question to the Devs . . .
Do you even care about this game and it’s players at all?



Sorry for my english . . .

[The3xtr3m3killer]

Hi,
PLS Do not only update damage and ammo but pls also a little accury and recoil I have the XM8AR and it almost didn't have any recoil and very good accury pls give also some accury and less recoil
Or this is maby an idea give eveybody with the +3 weapons the best attachments forever (the best of the +3 attachments) I hope u like it...

Greetings The3xtr3m3killer

[Parrina]

(10-01-2012 07:25 AM)Engel30 Wrote:  THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

To begin with.
I Spent exactly 8555 Battlefounds Only on weapons (I’m not even counting what I have spent on Uniforms & Boosters)
and i bought ALL my ELITE WEAPONS based 1st on the Ammo & Accuracy (Recoil, Bullet Drop/Spread, Range). . . . and 2nd on the damage of each weapon . . .

Since all +3 Weapons are a real piece of “work” . . .
The Community asked for you to either remove the 20th December patch or the refund of the battlefounds (REAL MONEY) . . .
In a later post you basically said that You are not giving us a refund of our money . . .
And Since the community keep asking you for the Removal of the 20th December update . . .
And you as Game Developer you keep ignoring the community' request to Remove the December 20 update and give us back the Elite/Veteran Weapons . . .

I know that all Free Games to generate money, game developers create “Premium” Items that can only be bought with REAL MONEY . . . To encourage a player to Buy this “Premium” item, “Premium” Items must have a clear advantage over the “FREE” base item available in the game . . .
So the more premium Items a game have, more money Game developers get . . .
Sooo . . . in other words . . .
You are getting payed with the money that we "invest" on your game in exchange of Battlefounds . . .

And from all the Free FPS that I have played this is the first game where I have been scammed by the Developers . . .

The 1st time you nerfed our “Weapons” was when you release the “NEW BOOSTERS” (Claymore, RPG, Chopper, Jet, grenade, etc…) and again the community was not happy (claymores, grenades, rpgs, skill, got nerfed) *I was not happy now it takes 3 mines/grenades/RPGs to kill 1 person, unless we buy the boosters . . . Claymores & grenades became useless to my recon . . . and now I have to buy a Booster, for something that I used to have with training points . . .
But hey looks like the community forgot about this . . . because most of them are happy with RPG & Mortar Booster . . .

And months later EAzy said: “Ok we need more money any ideas?”
And someone said “I have a great idea to make money . . . Lets lower the price of all permanent Elite & Veteran Weapons, so this noobs buy them, and then we remove them from the game, and give the player an identical black weapon, but with only +2 damage over the base weapons . . . ”

And the 20th December update was like:
Ok you bought a SCAR, but guess what you are getting this brand new +3 Nerf Gun . . . (and it’s not even +3, it’s really only a +2 . . . ) WTF!?!?!?!?


The Idea of Elite/Veteran weapons is to make a weapon with a clear advantage over a base weapon . . . and in order to get an Elite/veteran weapon one Must Pay REAL MONEY (BATTLEFOUNDS)
Each player had the option to either rent the weapon for a limited time, with credits or Battlefounds. Or To Buy it permanently for approximately 700-1100 battlefounds . . .
Every single person that choose to bought a PERMANET Elite/Veteran Weapon, did it to have something better than a base weapon, and because we were told that it was PERMANENT . . . (I think permanent means that you will keep this weapon as it is from the day you bought it until the day the game is closed)

And like if taking our Elite/Veteran Weapons and replace them for these +3 weapons isn’t enough . . .
you also raise the price of all Permanent weapons to 2500BF’s, that by the way if you buy/rent 1 do not expect to get a +3… cause you won’t.

You told the Community that you remove the Legacy Attachments (Elite/Veteran weapons) claiming that the game was unfair to the players that use base weapons, and didn’t buy battlefounds . . .

Now after THIS . . .
Is it a fair game to those who PAY REAL MONEY for weapons that we do not longer have?
Is it fair for those that pay your salary?
Is It fair for those who have been supporting this game since the Closed Beta?


And After thousands of complains from the community all you did was saying:

(09-01-2012 10:05 AM)VitalBullet Wrote:  Hello fellow Soldiers!

As you all know, we recently removed “Legacy” attachments from Battlefield Play4Free as a way to introduce a better level of balance in the game. We appreciate all the feedback that you’ve been giving our team since this change and we assure you, this was a tough decision and not an easy one to make. That being said, we believe that it will deliver the most fun and enjoyable gaming experience to all players and as such these changes will remain.

In the spirit of continually improving Battlefield Play4Free, we are listening to your feedback and responding. Over the next few weeks, we will be implementing several community requested changes to the “+3” weapons:

• Damage will be increased across all ranges of +3 weapons
  (Currently +3 weapons do 2 additional base (body) damage over all ranges compared to their non +3 counterpart. This will be increased to 3 addition points of damage)
• Base ammo count will be increased across all +3 weapons
  (This will vary depending on the weapon and the weapon type)
  

In addition, we will be making some changes to currently imbalanced boosters (for example, the Mortar Strike and RPG Boosters).

If you have additional questions about the “Legacy” attachments, please refer to this Q&A. As always, we greatly appreciate your feedback and if you wish to comment on these new changes, please feel free to join in below.

Best regards,
The Battlefield Play4Free Team

Sooo...
Your are actually telling me that this “+3 weapons” were really only +2 weapons!?
WTF!
I mean . . really . . .
WTF ! ! ! ! ! !
And about the ammo of the weapons . . . after the amazing work you have done so far, we will get 5 extra bullets on each weapon if we are lucky

(10-01-2012 03:32 AM)Parrina Wrote:  I totally agree that they have handled this extremy poorly.Its almost like a dictatorship and they do and say what they please without regard for the players and their best interests.

And I Totally agree with what Parrina said

For me, it’s like if they just don’t care about the community (BF's consumers), after all we already gave them our money and we are not getting it back . . .
It’s like all we can do is keep complaining about it, cause you just don’t care about the time & money we have invest in your game . . .

Question to the Devs . . .
Do you even care about this game and it’s players at all?



Sorry for my english . . .

Very well said and i agree totally!

[XDDante]

sticking around to see if they fix this the right way or if im gonna change to play Blacklight:Retribution!!! :A

[Masterground]

they will probably just add some addition (buyable) to minimize the recoil.

[Busted_Old_Man]

Engel30 I support your post, it's fair and honest.

And I'm not going to partake in any battlefield action just yet.... more has to be done.

I paid for something and now it's gone!!!!!

[xDanLoL]

Pistols shouldnt be downgraded/nerfed because the elite or rex already costs 2500 BF for perm, and if you nerf the pistol, it'll just be like EA's nerf issue all over again.

[Wizlawz]

(10-01-2012 08:33 AM)Masterground Wrote:  they will probably just add some addition (buyable) to minimize the recoil.

well i will tell ya what if the credits per map or whatever are not increased to make renting attachments easier and faster and if BF prices on whatever dont come down for such things i am better off playing a subscription game, honestly.

[NellaF]

What about recoil?
We want attachments FOREVER!
Not rental crap...

[Masterground]

(10-01-2012 08:42 AM)Wizlawz Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 08:33 AM)Masterground Wrote:  they will probably just add some addition (buyable) to minimize the recoil.

well i will tell ya what if the credits per map or whatever are not increased to make renting attachments easier and faster and if BF prices on whatever dont come down for such things i am better off playing a subscription game, honestly.

+3, but I realy think thats what they are planning... in bf3, there is some addon, which takes out some of recoil.

[kinggainer]

so who is kotaku ? the guy who sent the email ?

[JuanMendoza]

I know its only a small part of your comment, but....

[quote='Engel30' pid='635044' dateline='1326176725']

because most of them are happy with RPG & Mortar Booster . . .

[quote]

So, which forum are YOU reading?

[LtMackAttack]

Sorry EAsy! Your attempt to compensate what you ripped off from all of us who bought Legacy Elite weapons, falls short of what would bring back the 1000's of loyal customers (not players). Just like the weapons you gave us. Recoil out the wazoo, bullet spread all over the place (except the enemy), range just shy of 30 meters too short. I will keep my money and spend it on other games (non-EA that is). See ya!!! Nnnnooootttttt!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ghostrider0067]

Kotaku is one of the better known gaming websites. As for the email, I was the one that sent it.